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Song Submit: Too Good to Be True

by Greg Prato on March 31, 2010 · 20 comments

The internet makes it easier for the average music-making Joe (or Josephine) to connect with the outside world and get their creations out there. But making money with your tunes is still a tricky proposition, as the net has also expanded the field of shady sharks circling the waters of the music biz, looking for a scam or two.

For example, can the newly launched Song Submit really be all it’s cracked up to be? The site claims to hook songwriters and producers up with TV bigwigs looking for pieces of music for shows – and not those itty-bitty shows and labels run out of your neighbor’s living room, either. We’re talking “Beats” for a new David Hasselhoff reality show! “Full songs” for a new Britney Spears album!

Sounds legitimate, right? Sure! They sent out a press release and everything, detailing the above opportunities and others (“R&B songs for Kelly Rowland”; “R&B beats for Island Def Jam”)! And there are also audio clips of “success stories” from songwriters who supposedly scored big paydays through the shows that enlisted their tunes!

But before you get too excited, a look at their not-exactly-snazzy web design should tell you something about what’s going on here. So should the fact that you have to pay to submit the songs, that they sell “Music Contracts”, and the fact that their parent site’s tag-line is “Modern Toolz 4 Hip Hop Production.”

In other words, stay the hell away from sites like Song Submit.

Greg Prato is a Long Island, New York-based writer, who regularly contributes to All Music Guide, RollingStone.com, and Classic Rock Magazine. He is also the author several books, including Grunge is Dead: The Oral History of Seattle Rock Music. To see what he’s currently up to, scoot on over to www.myspace.com/gregpratopage

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{ 19 comments… read them below or add one }

Liamcommons November 16, 2010 at 10:49 am

this song is to long to make it wrong. i tell u now and dont make plowe. so i said lets get together and make this song it goes like this. its times like this gotta say ooh ahh

beata January 24, 2011 at 11:29 pm

but how do you for sure know that its a scam?

MaxWillens January 25, 2011 at 5:14 pm

Because getting your music into television and film is just not that simple.

Monstrosity1994 February 4, 2011 at 6:59 am

They told me that my recording quality wasn't good enough and I have a professional microphone. I know its good quality.

Max Willens February 4, 2011 at 12:45 pm

Well, did you use one mic to record everything? What kind of music do you make?

Mathew Villano April 20, 2011 at 5:59 pm

FOR ALL READING THIS ARTICLE IS BULL!
I submited songs and Now I am working with the Senior VP of MTV Networks who pays me an Upfront fee as well as royalties and I am also working with a Producer that works with Brittney Spears and such,
so as far as a SCAM its NOT TRUE I am also one of the success stories ” Mathew Villano ” look it up.
Just because the creator of the music thinks his stuff is good enough doesnt mean Shit (Watch Amaerican Idol Auditions People are crazy) it has to fit a specific need in order for them to show intrest,
SO WHY NOT DO A LITTLE RESEARCH BEFORE YOU POST A NEGATIVE BLOG ABOUT A SITE.
But if you choose to beleive this article then GOOD MORE OPS FOR ME !

MaxWillens April 20, 2011 at 6:05 pm

Okay. So maybe you'd like us to write a feature about your success, hm?

wamm@magnetmediafilms.com

Mathew Villano April 20, 2011 at 6:10 pm

If thats what it takes I'm down but this site has taken my music to a whole new level so I was pretty upset about you saying its a scam when I am living proof its not.

Song Submit April 20, 2011 at 10:13 pm

This post was created when Song Submit was in its infancy. The claims and accusations this post makes of Song Submit are unfounded, and border on defamation. Song Submit can't guarantee your music will get placed, it is a music-forwarding and music industry connection service. What Song Submit can do, and is doing much of, is connect many talented/gifted musicians, songwriters, and music producers directly to music executives who can then, and have been, advancing many musicians careers. Many film/tv/label/radio/commercial connections and placements have been made via the Song Submit service. Apart from the claims in the above post, there's no magic behind the service. When trying to decide whether Song Submit is for you, please consider the following…

ModernBeats has been in business for 12 years, starting in sound design. Over the years, ModernBeats sound libraries started to be used across many urban hit singles/records. Naturally, ModernBeats clientele accumulated and started to include many professionals in the industry such as top music producers, hit songwriters, film/tv music supervisors, major record label a&r, hollywood music publishers, production music boutiques, and more. As fans and customers of ModernBeats sound libraries, many clientele then became Song Submit clients to find and connect with up-n-coming, undiscovered, or unsigned talent to help expand their businesses while also advancing and building the careers of the musicians signed and placed via Song Submit. So, voilà. There you have it.

It's natural to have doubts about music placement type services. We agree and invite those doubts, and being skeptical is good. Again, in Song Submit's case, please consider the history, credits, and reputation of the core company. To help musicians better grasp the service, you can view placements and listen to testimonials from musicians & drops directly from music executives looking for music directly from Song Submit's main page: http://www.modernbeats.com/son…

dirtyfinga May 17, 2011 at 12:19 am

song submit participant.  It is very tough to critique music….especially in creative categories like hip hop and dance where there are no particular rules to making music…look at beyonce's latest “run the world” where an a list producer just cut n paste major lazer “pon de floor” for 3 minutes…..I will admit I was skeptical particularly when I saw a feed back system that was numbered….it was like predictive responses…I am going to need some more humanization than that, it seems to be all quantisized midi LOL….. matt i looked you up could not find you buddy…..got a soundcloud??

guesteses February 23, 2012 at 11:02 pm

So is this a scam or what? it seems like a lot of people get selected but never hear back. Also the guy in the success story from their site that got the progressive insurance commercial placement name is Jack Elliot. I could be wrong but is this guy the same Jack D. Elliot producer who did work with britney spears AND is also interviewed on the modernbeats website that dates back to August 24, 2009. That commercial was posted on youtube Jan 10, 2011. Why the hell would a huge producer with tons of established connections use the modern beat song submit service???? Something smells fishey her

Proz March 11, 2012 at 10:51 am

Just like everything else in the music business (Nowadays), it comes down to personal preference, which then turns into a trend. You think it’s based on specific things? Maybe 10% of the selection process is, but I guarantee you that, all the “Reviewed 1″ (You know what I mean) could & can be turned into hits for any musical placement!

I am industry professional and have worked for organizations similar to Modern Beat’s Song-Submit service.

Marvelous One July 1, 2012 at 3:56 pm

I know a guy who got his music placed in a few Kardashian show episodes because of modernbeats.com . And also got a cool royalty statement because of the placements. This article’s information is a bit inaccurate.

Sam July 7, 2012 at 7:47 am

music has been my day job for the last 15 years but even at my level of the game because of the piracy the well is getting dry, 

now there are millions of tracks now, millions, and so I am thinking about trying out song submit, I will spend a thousand just to fly out to take meetings, so I figure what is 50 bucks, but if I don’t get a connect, esp since those same tracks I am uploading are already playing on tv shows I will know that this is a sham, I will keep you posted, 

Joker52288 October 4, 2012 at 7:08 pm
beats0808 December 16, 2012 at 8:59 am

I just lost all of my tv gigs from the 10 companies I worked for,

    I was told that it is that bad now, I should find a day job and wait for the royalties to come in, I have over 1000 tracks on tv shows and movies now, so that is my retirement fund :)    there are sites now where for 49.95 you have access to 10,000,000 tracks royalty free, no hassle, how can you fight that ? being a artist, like Trinad james is all there is left to making money in this business, btw I got 20 tracks on the kardashians, I have made $5000 over 2 years, how can you live on that ?  also I think matthew villano is a plant from modernbeats, yes modernbeats is a scam, just like taxi and any other site that charges you to submit tracks, I lost hundreds of dollars from those sites, ironically the same tv shows they were turning me down for I got music on those shows anyway with the same tracks I submitted, what is up with that ?????     I only went through those sites because I was getting tired of giving away 50-75% of my income, but that is the game now, no way around it, until the piracy stops this music biz for producers and beatmakers is dead, 

funfact, only 500 tv shows are made a year, so millions of tracks being submitted for 500 tv shows of which only 20 are primetime, 

time to find another career, 

beats0808 December 16, 2012 at 9:01 am

http://www.modernbeats.com/hit-talk/song-submit-top-20-for-july-2011/

I rest my case, matthew is a ringer / plant / fraud 

Jheri Curl Juice April 2, 2013 at 2:54 pm

a few of my artists paid to send tracks,these are top notch tracks too,not to mention the main producer we work with is a former member of Loud, however upon being selected he never received any placement or even a phone call..so based on the experience he had even being selected by your SONGSUBMIT tripe..leads us all to believe it is bullshit…

George GRoc Williams May 10, 2013 at 7:06 pm

An excellent article with great advice and warnings. The Music biz has been in transition for over a decade now. During the process,cd sales have continued to diminish. At the same time record companies have shut down any and all solicitation from artist and songwriters hoping for a break. Radio has become totally syndicated under corporate rule,shutting out the local talent that use to catch a break if he.she had a great song. And many of these ‘song submitt’ offers are crawling up and down cyberspace trying to suck the life out of ‘would be artist/writers and producers. Someone needs to devise a underground railroad to the industry,cause the average indie needs to be set free…….George ‘GRoc’ Williams

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