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Is Greyson Chance a Fake Viral Sensation?

by Max Willens on May 19, 2010 · 34 comments

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Jury’s still out for us, but Bob Lefsetz, he of the famous Lefsetz Letter, has found a bunch of links suggesting that we might all be looking at the next viral campaign concocted by a major record label. 

Granted, there’s not much to go on, but then, there wasn’t much for the 9/11 Truthers or the Birthers to go on, either, and it took years for them to finally shut up. The top (potentially) damning pieces of evidence:

YouTube play count: We’ve seen things go viral before, and the definition of the phrase is constantly changing as more and more people start flocking to the “Internet sensations” that clog up our culture, but 18 million plays? Already? Very, very fishy.

The girls. In the video that shows Chance performing at what’s supposed to be some kind of talent show, where are all the dudes? There are nothing but girls in that auditorium, which suggests either a) that Chance goes to an all-girls school, and is therefore some kind of hermaphrodite (which we are NOT discounting as a possibility), or b) all those girls were somehow herded in there, possibly with the promise of locks of Justin Bieber’s hair, and were turned into some kind of test-marketing audience.

The sound quality. As explained by the Random British Guy (supposedly a social media expert) in one of the videos Lefsetz links to, the sound is very well-balanced for a talent show. As anybody who’s worked in an A/V club before knows, getting audio from your auditorium to sound anything close to that good is really freaking hard, and it’s exceedingly unlikely that they have someone that smart working at the public high school in Oklahoma that Chance attends.

Of course, we could be totally wrong about this (and if we are, Greyson, we’re sorry we called you a hermie), but given that the two biggest success stories to happen to the record industry in the last decade have been Susan Boyle and Justin Bieber, doesn’t it make at least a little bit of sense that some executive at Interscope would think to combine the two?

Because after all, if you could mash Susan Boyle’s non-celebrity status together with Justin Bieber’s haircut, that combination would look like a million bucks, right? At least.

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  • http://twitter.com/wammusic/status/14312975087 We All Make Music

    Bob Lefsetz has us convinced: Greyson Chance is a cyborg, and his success story is fake http://twurl.nl/aflo1n

  • http://twitter.com/maxwillens/status/14313029877 Max Willens

    I'm convinced: that little Greyson Chance fucker is some kind of fake viral campaign cooked up by Interscope http://twurl.nl/aflo1n

  • terri woods

    There is a different clip on Youtube where there are also boys on the stage too. Conspiracy theory fail.

  • MaxWillens

    Oh come on, that's by far the flimsiest of the three pieces of evidence. What about the YT play count? Or the sound? You sound like someone who's never had to record audio in an auditorium before.

  • http://twitter.com/wammusic/status/14316532730 We All Make Music

    Did @Interscope fabricate Greyson Chance's talent show performance http://twurl.nl/5nihj8

  • terri woods

    You clearly have little idea of how popular this kid is. Every television station around the world has featured the clip as has print and internet media. Very easy to get so many views from around the world.

  • MaxWillens

    That would make it the fastest video to generate that many views in the history of YouTube. Not convinced.

  • http://twitter.com/mygreysonchance/status/14317163665 Greyson Chance Fans

    Greyson Chance Fake — We All Make Music: Disturbing (and maybe not entirely credible) evidence tha… http://bit.ly/cuWSdb | Chance Greyson

  • http://twitter.com/earplug/status/14317276534 Earplug

    Is Greyson Chance (the Bieber lookalike who did the Gaga cover) a ringer? @wammusic thinks it's possible: http://twurl.nl/5nihj8

  • krys

    Not only the count on YT but he sounded the same on Ellen as well. He has a good media system at home. I'm Team Greyson so you can't convince me at all!

  • MaxWillens

    I'm not saying the kid hasn't got any talent, Krys, I'm saying that the STORY of his being swept into prominence like this is a little fishy.

    I'll take the little guy over an Ashlee Simpson any day of the week.

  • Raylene

    It's definitely orchestrated. The audience for the video didn't appear before he was booked on Ellen. Then, everyone was ready to roll. By the time he reached California for an in-studio, the numbers were created that enabled them to call him a “viral sensation”. But, it was an old-school media push responsible for the publicity and embeds.

  • Demitasse

    No need to even bother trying to figure out how the video was filmed. The fact that Guy Oseary, manager to Madonna, Ashton Kutcher and others, was behind Greyson Chance BEFORE his Ellen broadcast speaks volumes.

  • MaxWillens

    I'm SAYING!

  • J-DAWG

    Also, check out the way the camera zooms in. I've never seen any consumer camera zoom in so fast in my life! Also, the “bobble” of the camera seems like it's in a sort of pattern, not natural.

    Finally, the piano this school has is like the Porche of pianos! I live in a VERY wealthy school district and they don't have bulky grand pianos and expensive mics like this small Oklahoma town. Where the heck would they put that thing and keep it in such pristine condition?

    I admit I was duped by some label's marketing ploy. Fool me once…..

  • Dave

    There are “dudes” in the crowd behind the piano – there's another video of the performance on YouTube shot from a different angle which shows them. There's more girls, but then that's always likely to be the case in a 6th grade chorus as not many 12-year-old boys would be seen dead singing in public. The piano is good, but then the performance was in a church, and some churches do own decent pianos. That leaves the audio quality, which I can't explain – maybe one of the kids' parents is a sound technician, who knows?

  • Lydia

    This thing definitely looks like that thing! “Download This: YouTube Phenom Has a Big Secret” http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118903788315518…

  • Jonathan

    With that link you can eliminate the whole no guys in the crowed theory.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGe2cwsR-IQ

  • ShayAlexis

    MaxWillens and all other sound quality conspiracy theorist…he was not in his school's auditorium for this. He said on Ellen that is was a choir talent show at his church. That and the plenty of mics set up around him (which they would have at a church) would explain the great sound quality would it not?

  • Shameonthosecoattailriders

    fake? lol, nothing fake about his talent. who cares about the showbiz part of it, everybody is out to get theirs anyway. what it really sounds like is that some people with say anything just to catch a ride on his popularity wave…

  • http://indiemusicplanet.com Paul

    True, meaningful promotion costs money – because it takes planning, implementation, people power. The bigger your target audience, the more money it will add up to. Knowing this self-evident truth it never ceases to amaze me just how many people (yes even some within the record industry) fall for the hype that some act was discovered on, say, MySpace – “virally” – and voilla, see? they/he/she is now a start! Grassroots power yeah!

    But it's just an example of skillful manipulation of perceptions. It's a clever label – or a well-paid marketer – hijacking what looks like a successful web presence and what looks like real plays and fan support (as opposed to bot-generated one, but who's checking…!) – and with a sleight of hand or two makes it APPEAR like the label just picked up this real crowd-sourced sensation. A true people's hero.

    The reason why even some record people (who are not directly in the know) fall for this is because of the “semblance of plausibility.” Yes, it looks like so-and-so has a following, and yes, it's possible that it's because of this that the label picking him up, and yes, they had a safe bet beause he was already an “internet sensation”.

    Sorry, folks. It REALLY doesn't work that way. Never has, and probably never will. It is the PLANNING and the WILL of the fiscal entity that wants to get behind a given act that makes this illusion appear so real. This, of course, doesn't mean that you can't be discovered on the web. You can. You can also be discovered on the street, busking.

    So – knowing this, it really doesn't matter whether an act they discover and market is an “interenet hit” or not (“fake” or “real”). Hopefully, that act has REAL talent and can be further developed, both as a “product” and artistically. That's ALL that matters.

    As far as Greyson is concerned, anyone with a pair of ears and a heart can tell you this kid's got something pretty amazing and definitely super rare. He can and SHOULD be a “star.” He somehow manages to touch you, pretty much no matter who you are. Warts and all, he's got that X factor and if YOU had the A&R talent, money and opportunity – you WOULD sign him up (providing you also had any business sense and knowhow)..

    This post is thus flawed on at least the following counts:

    1. It assumes that internet stardom is possible without a financial entity backing it (e.g. a label)
    2. It tries to imply that there's something “fake” about Greyson's talent or rise to people's attention
    3. It focuses on imaginary negatives and completely overlooks the magic – and the enormous future potential this young boy DEFINITELY has
    4. It argues out of ignorance of FACTS (i.e. the way the world turns, the way marketing works, the way labels think and the subtle mechanism behind an artist's appeal to fans)
    5. Overall, it only barely attempts to mask the author's prejudice, arrogance and its natural sister: ignorance.
    6. And to further undermine the author's own sense of even-handedness and balance, takes a swipe at the 911 Truth movement – a position which is neither informed, nor factually correct (They did not go away – you just stopped looking. They do have valid arguments – you just don't get them. They deserve being heard even if they were to be proven wrong – and so do their opponents).

    So, finally, let's just deal with the one issue which is probably the only (philosophical) point worthy of consideration. Does it matter if that video was “orchestrated”? Would it make it any less valid if it was? And what about, if it was “re-created” (i.e. he had that reaction for real, and then someone asked him to do it again, but this time they'll film it)? OK, and what if it was “made up”? If it was – which is definitely not impossible – would you be any less impressed or thrilled listening to him? Would you have to force yourself to enjoy it? Do you think those girls had to “pretend?”

    Peace
    :) xx paul

  • MaxWillens

    Paul, even though I dislike doing specific rebuttals, your numbered observations compel me to.

    1. First of all, the term “Internet stardom” does not apply solely to music, and there are plenty of random, stupid memes (“Double rainbow,” e.g.) that have achieved notoriety without so much as a nickel of financial backing. They have been picked up by larger, better-funded, more entrenched outlets, but conflating that with marketing is unfair and misleading.

    Second of all, Pomplamoose are not signed to a label. They made enough money through music to support themselves last year, and they managed to do that without playing a single live show (but as previously mentioned in both your comments and mine, I believe they are the exception that proves the rule); they gamed YouTube (if you want to get traction as an artist on YouTube, doing so starts with covers)

    2-3. WHERE do I say that Chance's talents are fake? The fakeness refers purely to the media-driven idea that he was discovered purely by chance.

    4. It's obviously conjecture. The entire piece is conjecture, and I make no bones about that in my post: “Jury's still out..” ; “there's not much to go on…” ; “…we could be totally wrong about this…”

    But then, if the suggestions that Greyson Chance is a hermaphrodite and that the female audience members visible in this video was lured into some auditiorium because they were promised locks of Justin Bieber's hair didn't tip you off to the fact that I was kidding, I don't know what else I can say.

    6. How is not “factually accurate” to take a swipe at 9/11 Truthers? I'm assuming, of course, that that is what you meant, because your final observation is not a sentence. And if you can identify ANY facet of that conspiracy theory that is worthy of discussion or debate, at this point, please do.

    I feel weird getting all huffy about this, because for the most part we're in agreement. Putting your stuff up on YouTube and waiting for someone to discover your music is a waste of your time. It's important for artists to understand that getting traction in ANY space requires differentiating yourself from your competition.

    So…are we cool?

  • http://indiemusicplanet.com Paul

    Hi Max, thanks for your reply. I do understand your position and argument and my comment on your post was not meant to be taken as anything more than a small difference of opinion.

    For example, you're quite right that Pomplamoose pulled it out nicely, and I can probably find another couple of dozen acts who did equally well with meager resources. But ask anyone on the STREET: “pompla…who?” Can you compare their mass media support/saturation with… erm – anyone who's in the media?

    Part of the problem is, of course, that the “public” media is self-serving and has little if anything to do with “public” any more. But even looking away from that, P's success pales when compared to properly funded PR efforts. That was my point.

    Yes, I did get your humor and I probably should have been lighter myself. (Doing so as I write!) ;)

    As for the 911 point, as a former physicist (those were the days…) it has always boggled my mind that people argue semantics and opinions of experts, get all heated up about what the “scientists” say – but no one has bothered to use OWN logic and experiment. You can NOT prove 911 experimentally. Which is why NIST hasn't.

    But to answer your request, hows this: here's one good example of someone earnestly trying (youtube): watch?v=VvQDFV1HINw (and just so we can lay this matter to rest, I'm quite indifferent to any organizations both for and against – this is just an intellectual pursuit for me. By taking interest in this I address my sense of in/justice backed by my education in that area)

    I think I was a bit unfair to you in my post, re-reading it now. But, hopefully, for the “average” reader out there some of this dialogue may have “demystified” some widely-held assumptions. Such as grassroots-internet-to-mainstream-success-without-some-$eriou$-help. Then again, knowing me, maybe I just added to the confusion…

    Best
    :) paul

  • WAYNE ALEXANDER ADAM

    It was filmed in a Church which has a superior sound system and the audio coming out of the stereo speakers is in line with the high recording capability of today's auto balanced microphones. Many high quality video's have decent balance. The piano's tone is flat and one dimensional and is likely a mono feed into a PA system. Given it is a church we are dealing with a superior Dynamic mic likely balanced on a mixing board as this was a showcase for talent in the school.

    If you look at the PAN out in the audience at the beginning there are many boys in the audience. Lets not forget – these are grade school kids who congregate with their friends and typically the girls stick together- not to mention there may be some religious seating protocol given the venue that has not been explored.

    Love the conspiracy theory – but if this were a set up there would be far more people talking about it and they would likely be seeking their own 15 minutes of fame undoing the staged “audience member” perception.

    The Youtube thing is a phenomenon and the Ellen show and lacking online news pages put this video where it is and nothing more…

    Nice try.

  • http://twitter.com/Steel_Reserve22 Thomas A. Anderson

    You're missing the point…Media cynergy or not,Greyson Chance is truly gifted and the real thing.And he has natural born charm…I honestly don't understand the cynicism…Greyson is no Bieber-style hip hop wannabe,but is a real artist…Everything the wannabes do is phony choreographed,lipsynced “baby,baby,baby” BS…Greyson is a young Elton John or a young Michael Jackson,not in style,but in substance and depth…The media cannot fake that kind of thing for anyone.

  • http://twitter.com/Steel_Reserve22 Thomas A. Anderson

    I suspect that the excellent “audio quality” is Greyson's own booming voice…Very soulful and powerful.Not only from an acoustic standpoint,but on an emotional level as well…Media involvement or not,the talent is undeniable,and everything else is beside the point.

  • MaxWillens

    I'm with you on everything except the artist part, Thomas.

    Not that I'm saying he isn't. What I am saying is that the kid's recorded one cover. Let's all leave him alone til his balls have finished dropping before we start declaring him to be anything.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_77YGYNEHUVRAESWZ3NGRP3UJTU Michael Smith

    You cannot fake what cannot be faked…Real talent,skill and depth cannot be faked,nor natural born charm and likability.And you cannot fake courage,Greyson's abilty to interact with the audience so comfortably…The camera loves him as well…None of these things can be orchestrated from on high.

    The establishment is always on the lookout for real talent…The establishment was fully behind the Jacksons in the 70's,and that did not rob them of any credibilty…Was Greyson supposed to do literally everything by himself,is any artist supposed to be completely on their own?..Not even the Beatles or the Stones did it all on their own.Were they fake?..

    Were any of us born on our own?..Cool it with the super cynicism.

    I am a 45 year old man,not a brain washed teeny bopper,and I know the real thing when I see it…
    999 out of 1000 so called prodigies are just ordinary kids with delusional parents…But once in a great while,a real prodigy shows up with all the right ingredients.

  • bennie

    go check out his two songs on billboard.com one original and one cover. also check out his originals of broken hearts and stars on youtube. the kid has immense talent and potential. even if his voice changes he has so much musical skill he will adjust.

  • roughrider

    you just wasted a bunch of peoples time reading your comment. I know the parents personally and Scott his dad used the home video camera. In fact, he laughed because he didn't even know if he had it on or not, that is why it shakes at the beginning. It is funny how people like you get paranoid about nothing. Greyson was the last act of the night and the students sat in the back behind the piano. Scott was in front of the adult audience in the church seating. When Greyson bowed, he bowed to the adult audience. This is very simple, a magical moment was caught with a home video camera and Tanner Greysons brother posted it on Youtube and sent copies out to some agencies to help get Greyson noticed. Simple as that.

  • rollseyes

     Wow. This is incredibly stupid. Audio Engineer here. First of all the audio sounds like shit. Very veiled. It’s “balanced” because it was probably recorded with just one cam microphone, thus MONO. Second, the kid had posted videos of himself on youtube months before any of this happened. Third, on Ellen Degeneres’s site, she has a section where you can send interesting videos of talent or whatever and her interns and other workers sift through them. If this video had 8,000 views before Ellen, which is not unlikely because it had Lady Gaga’s name on it, there is a chance that one of those 8,000 people sent it to Ellen or worked for her.

  • http://twitter.com/theenchancersuk/status/137642961805643777 InAChanceTrance♥

    How can they say that? So bad http://t.co/G22XdGxp

  • Ctednesome

    U guys dont say tht about greyson hes awsome and im sure he hasnt done anything to hurt yall so y hate someone b4 u even get to kno bc greyson is an great person just dont hate on him plz

  • Abbie

    Haters gonnn’ hate.

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